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I'm getting close to the point where i pull my car out of it's 2+ year hibernation and finally finish it. The rest of my projects are getting wrapped up right now.

Time to get the Celica moving again. It's not an AllTrac, it's a 92 GT hatch. Previously i did most of the suspension and exterior work, so now on to the fun stuff.

Last weekend, i picked up my starting point for the motor. (Still have to find a trans to go with my TRD LSD)

Got a gen2 3sgte out of an MR2 Turbo with a case of rod bearing soup. Complete minus wiring harness, ecu, map sensor, and has a cracked cam gear. Came with blown turbo (likely cause of rod bearing soup) and an ST205 trans. (That i'll be selling, i have no use for it.)

And with that, i already have my first question.

I'm "only" looking for 350-400whp in this 2300-2400lb FWD car. The way i see it, i have a few options, and for the life of me, i can't tell which is best. Being that this motor already needs to be gone through, it's unlikely that i'll just rebuild to stock specs. I'd like to pick up some efficiency, as well as gain headroom for if i were to ever dump the motor in an MR2 down the road. :)

1) Try to be a little more efficient. Stock bottom end, headwork/cams.
2) MORE efficient. Built bottom end with higher compression, headwork/cams.
3) Build bottom end to be bombproof in case i get bored and want to try my hand at Sport Compact drags. (heh, right.)
4) Stroker. I have the block and crank out of the Celica currently that could be used.

Cost isn't really an issue, but i'm also not looking to build a $10k motor. Of course, i would rather do it RIGHT the first time, and not have to re-do anything. I'm starting to get burnt out working on all these cars, and if i could put this together and not have to pull the motor ever again, i'd be extremely happy. :lol:

Which of these would you guys recommend in a light FWD car? My gut says "stroker," but i'm a little worried about the torque/spool characteristics when combined with FWD. Of course, i could also size turbo appropriately, so there is that. Are the strokers just as "revvy" as the 2.0s? I already have a FWD "grunter" in my MX6, and i have no interest in exploring that particular realm again. It sucks spinning into 4th gear.






Oh... and the goal for the car? I'm not real sure anymore. :( The car was NO fun at all to drive when i parked it. It developed a front end noise, which in retrospect i'm pretty sure is just a bad balljoint. It was so awful to drive i didn't even bother fixing it, it's just sat for two years. I'm sure everything is crusty, interior probably waterlogged due to a couple leaks i never took care of, brakes are shot, shocks might not have held up.

Why was it awful? Not enough power to even make the chassis THINK of pulling any shenanigans. Required no finesse or attention to drive anymore. It was obnoxiously fast in tight technical roads, but just didn't involve you at all. It was hammer down, turn the wheel, and blaaaaahhhhh. I still stand by "suspension and brakes first," but in this case, i overdid it badly.

I originally wanted to build this thing as a fast street car. But i already have that. (Turbo Miata, 90 MX6 GT)
Then i wanted to build it for SCCA Solo competition. But i already have that. (SMF Escort, which could also be considered a fast street car on occasion.)

So... i'm just going to build it and see what happens. Might end up as a Time Trial/Hill Climb car. Might end up as a nice hardparker that actually gets driven hard. I really don't know.


General comments, hating, helpful hints, motivational phrases, whatever, are all welcomed and encouraged.

This one will be somewhat slow going for a couple months, but like the Escort, i wanted to get a start in before i start forgetting things. :lol:

As a start, you can expect everything being done to the Escort to find it's way on this thing, and more, because i'm not really building to a rule set.

At its core, this will be a "Why? Because i CAN." build, not a "because i should" build.



She don't look bad for 253k miles and original paint, huh? XD
 

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I like the car buddy. But it sounds to me like you need to sell a couple cars and get one nice one. Im in that situation currently.

Heh, like what? I've got the Blouch/Big Enchilada'd Mazdaspeed Miata, the Jeep, her race car (Escort.)

The only ones i could get rid of are the MX6 or the Celica at this point, or both. Celica might be worth $3000 at the moment, maybe the same for the MX6. Don't think i'd do any better/be any happier with what $6k would get me. :p


I'm not unhappy with my situation, i've just lost direction a bit with the Celica since i put it to the side for so long. I'm sure the fire will be re-lit when i start working on it. Despite how terrible it was to drive, i love the car. There's not a single spot of rust on it, even underneath, and it's one of the straightest bodies of this generation remaining.

If i had one regret, it would be that i should have left it alone from what i turned it into within a week of the original purchase.

Sacrilege on a Miata board, but at the time these pictures were taken, this was hands down the best car i've ever had, the most fun i've had with any car. It was perfect in every way for what i wanted. Then i ruined it. :lol:

Part of it is also that i've had MANY of these 90-93 Celicas, and i've been planning/wanting to build one for over 5 years now, just never got around to it. This one, i got half done. I gotta finish it so i've got no "what ifs" later. This will be my last FWD Celica, so i'm going to do it right. XD

(See how nice? I paid $600 for this thing and then drove the balls off of it for 2 years.)


 

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Or sell the mx6 and fund this project do u don't have two oversteerers! Haha

If it were so easy.... The MX6 is my daily. The Celica even now is not daily driveable, and never will be again. :twisted:

Makes sense, right? Two dailies (Jeep and MX6), two fully built animals (Escort and Celica), and a fun reliable street toy (Tarblow Meeotter). ;)


And not that i make a huge amount of money, but selling the MX6 would probably only fund my motor. I don't need to sell the MX6 to move this project along at the pace i want. :)
 

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Nice work man. BTW I voted up your cars on GRM.com lol, never made the connection until now. I wondered who was adding the dope miata pics from over here into the hotlink thread. Love that MX-6 too.
 

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rally car. you already have everything else
That'll happen at some point.... but it'll be an 88-89 Celica ALLtrac, not HalfTrac. ;)

All trac conversion, v8 swap , weight reduction and you're done :-D
And it's just that easy! XD (Weight reduction is mostly already done, btw. Gotten about 300lbs out of it.)

Nice work man. BTW I voted up your cars on GRM.com lol, never made the connection until now. I wondered who was adding the dope miata pics from over here into the hotlink thread. Love that MX-6 too.
Thanks! :) The MX6 has been great lately... put about 2k miles on it in the last 2 weeks. Gotta address an exhaust leak at the flange, though.

And picked up some rare stuff today for it as well. Old school Erebuni bumper and a factory sunroof deflector. I'm psyched!
 

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I usually cringe when I think of Erebuni kits, but I believe I know the front you are talking about. Should be subtle.
 

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I usually cringe when I think of Erebuni kits, but I believe I know the front you are talking about. Should be subtle.
Heh, yeah, it's not ricey. :) Really just gets rid of the factory "overbite" the car has.



Will definitely be reading, since you're pretty much doing the car the way I dreamed of doing my old 91 GT when I had it. It's already dope as is though!
Thanks man. :) I already have a couple goodies floating around for it. I need to take pics. (TRD Japan Solara V6 LSD, anyone?)


Where are you located?
Indy.

that car looks like a perfect time capsule from the mid-90's with those black/blue lip RP01's. i freakin love it.. what i would do with it i have no clue man.. good luck..
Heh, took me MONTHS to track down those wheels. They could use a re-finishing, but i'll deal with that later.

I could always just take the MX6 off ya. :blaugh:
Heh, then i've still gotta find another DD anyways.
 

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Build the engine very moderately, and shoot for 250whp. Its fast without overwhelming the tires, and will strike a fine balance with the chassis.

With turbos and built motors its easy to get greedy for power, but in the end, some wise fucker said power corrupts, absolute power requires drag radials.
 

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Build the engine very moderately, and shoot for 250whp. Its fast without overwhelming the tires, and will strike a fine balance with the chassis.

With turbos and built motors its easy to get greedy for power, but in the end, some wise fucker said power corrupts, absolute power requires drag radials.
This is wise for sure. :) Here's the rub: I'm going to be VERY angry if this thing is slower than my DD MX6, and at 250whp, it's going to be WAY slower than my DD MX6. :eek::lol:

My Miata makes about 250whp. It's not fast enough.

But here's the plus side: I can fit a lot, and i mean a LOT of tire under this Celica. 265/45-16s? Please and thank you. :twisted:

I appreciate the input, but like i said, this is going to be a "because i can" build. This is/was my favorite car, and i'd like it to be the fastest car i own in almost any situation. It has to compete against:

Escort: Once complete, this should be a 240whp car that weighs about 2100lbs, with a FULLY worked suspension. (See build thread)
Miata: Retune in spring, should be around 270whp. Will be wearing Cusco coilovers come spring as well.
MX6: Trashy, but i have all the parts to make over 300whp, which will come with over 400wtq.

The bar is set. I need ALL the tire, and i'll be happy with anything over 300whp, although 350whp is the "official" goal. With the right sized turbo, proper suspension, big tires, i don't think traction will be a huge issue. :)


On the other hand, 250whp could be achieved with.... stock... EVERYTHING.

Too bad you're so far away, I actually need a ST205 trans...

Bummer dude! Road trip? :lol:
 

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Well,

I have an ST205 Celica GT4 WRC edition complete head and fuel rail/injectors/regulator available to me for $400 if i desire. Apparently the head is an upgrade, particularly on the intake side, and has more aggressive cams, but still nothing crazy. The injectors are 540cc, which should handle my power goals.

At this point, i'm thinking i should get it, then part/sell the Gen2 head, intake and exhaust manifolds, and fuel system to recoup, and roll with the mother of all hybrid motors.

2.2 Celica/Camry block
2.2 Celica/Camry Crank
Pauter "stroker" rods
2.0 3sgte pistons of my choice
Gen3 head


Or do we think that the $400 would be better spent concentrating on getting the gen2 head worked as well as replacing the cracked cam gear?
 

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Damn dude, you're seriously killing me... first the ST205 trans and now this? I would give anything to have that head for my ST165... What ecu are you going to use to drive the injectors?
 
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