[Beef Supreme]

No, the bumpstops are for shock travel, not spring travel. Different length bumpstops are for people that lower their car and change the spring rates. While you are compressing your springs more with these new tophats and have lowered it considerably, and the fact racelands come with shitty bumpstops............that is why you could benefit from them.

Slap on the tophats and see how the car handles over bumps and stuff. If you decide you want to change the shock travel, then order new bumpstops from Fat Cat Motorsports

 

[Beef Supreme]

The tophats are for adding preload on lowered vehicles, and allowing shock travel. You will notice what I mean the lower you go. Once there is almost no preload it almost feels like you are riding on the shock and the ride is a bit bouncy. This smooths out the ride and allows you to go lower with the same handling characteristics

 

[Beef Supreme]

If it bolts down to the same spot on the shock body, how does it allow the shock to go higher? All I see it doing is compressing the springs, but keeping the same mounting point. What am I missing here

 

[Beef Supreme]

Once again the tophat is bolted down onto the top of that shock shaft at the same spot though. Its not like it stretched out the shock any higher. It just pushes down the springs. (adds preload so the car doesn't sit on the shocks)

 

[Beef Supreme]

I get what you are saying about shock travel, as I mentioned these give you more shock travel in my second post up top. I thought he was talking about different mounting heights or something. I guess the word "travel" was just left out of his description and confused me

 

[Beef Supreme]

Take them out. They are useless now with the new huge tophats

 

[Beef Supreme]

Not really. You can add preload by adjusting the perches. At this point with those huge tophats, all your helper springs are, are giant ass perches making your main springs more compressed now. You are not even slammed all the way down, it's gonna be a bitch just fitting those things on there.

 

[Beef Supreme]

Yea, right now you are going to be at the point where you won't be able to take any preload out of the springs because they are compressed before even being installed. Take out the helper springs and with being able to control the height now also comes being able to put how much preload you want in the springs.

 

[Beef Supreme]

The compression of the spring when it does not have any weight on it

 

[Beef Supreme]

Raceland bumpstops are basically the same thing as no bumpstops. lol

 

[Beef Supreme]

Chris: Instead of reading all the arguing and throwing out of numbers, just read braineack's posts and pictures. They explain it all.

I'll be moving my ISC tophats from my 97 to my MSM once it weather clears up here. Think I'm just going to do 1.5'' in the rear and 1'' in the front, and once I have everything put together and driving, I'll see if I still have space up front to go higher tophats without hitting frame.

 

[Beef Supreme]

We are both lowered (me quite a bit). Nothing to worry about except for me possibly hitting frame which is why I'm only going 1'' on the front to start with

 

[Beef Supreme]

My racelands were always like that even when I was slammed (with the tophats). I think it was because I didn't take out the helper springs so the coils were just so compressed with some soft ass shocks that it made going over any little bump or uneven piece of payment feel like I was riding off of a curb

but either way, I never drive my NA anymore so no use of spending the money for new tophats when I can just switch them over. I already know the difference it will make on my MSM, because at mod slammed height it handled fucking awesome but just dropping the springs down 1'' in threads and I feel it riding on the shock a lot more now