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Hey guys, so I know many of us have been itching for larger tires to put on our 15x10s and 15x9s. Bobby (1viccistude) and I are starting a petition/community effort to convince manufacturers that making these tires will have a market.

Specifically we are aiming to get Hankook to make a 255/40R15 Ventus RS3. We have written up a template e-mail, but we ENCOURAGE you to write your own e-mail with any unique ideas of why this tire is good that may not be included in the template. Lastly, we would really appreciate it if you voice your support in the thread, which will easily allow us to keep rough estimates of people's interest.

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http://www.hankooktireusa.com/techbord/Main.aspx?pageNum=3&subNum=4
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Soo Il Lee, President & CEO
Hankook Tire America Corp.
1450 Valley Road
Wayne, NJ 07470

Dear Sir,

Hankook Tire is very obviously a market-driven company dedicated to its loyal consumers. And there is no doubt that the Hankook Ventus RS-3 has become a popular tire among car enthusiasts, performance oriented drivers, open track day participants, and autocross competitors. Particularly in the 225/45R15 sizing, few others can compare. It has become known among many as the best choice in performance street and occasional track day tires for smaller sporty cars.

As you may know, many wheel manufacturers are now producing 15x9 and 15x10 wheels for the booming performance aftermarket. These new wheels are feeding the ever increasing numbers of enthusiasts that are constantly improving their street cars and taking part in open road course track days on major raceways like Laguna Seca, Road Atlanta, Watkins Glen, or Sebring Raceway. But the tires currently available to the drivers in 235-255mm are track-only or DOT-legal slicks made by manufacturers like Hoosier and Continental and not true dual duty tires like the Hankook Ventus RS-3 (Hankook’s Ventus Z214 competition tire only comes in sizes up to 225/45/R15). This has created a quandary for people using 15x7 and 15x8 wheels who want to move up to the larger wheel and tire combinations, but do not want to leave the Ventus RS-3’s streetable use or longevity behind. Many sadly must use a smaller tire on a narrower wheel for the street and a pure race tire on a wider wheel on the track, leaving them with ill-fitting and less than optimal street wheel and tire combination. This also makes it necessary to bring the extra wheels and tires to the track to switch every track day, and then they must be switched back to drive home.

Many drivers have expressed on various car enthusiast forums, the desire for an aggressive, streetable, dual duty tire like the venerable Hankook Ventus RS-3 in a size that would complement the many 15x9 and 15x10 wheels readily available to them. Please consider making such a tire available to enthusiasts who wish to consume these tires regularly. What is particularly desired is a Ventus RS-3 tire in the 245/40 or 255/40 range of sizes to make full use of the 9 and 10 inch wide wheels. While there is a modest selection of R-compound tires available from other tire manufacturers in the 235-255mm range, there is still no maximum performance street compound tire available.

Having surveyed among drivers at open track days, autocross events and on several enthusiast forums, here is a partial list of cars that could benefit from a RS-3 of this size:

Acura Integra (1985-2002)
Chevrolet Camaro (1967-1992)
Chevrolet Corvette (1962-1982)
Dodge Neon/Neon ACR (1995-2005)
Ford Focus/Focus SVT (1998-present)
Ford Mustang (1964-2004)
Honda Civic (1984-2005)
Lotus 7, Super 7/Caterham/Birkin/Locost (1960-present)
Mazda 323/323GTX (1985-1989)
Mazda Miata (1990-2005)
Mazda Protégé (1989-1994)
Mazda RX7 (1979-1991)
Mini Cooper/CooperS (2001-present)
Nissan 200sx (1994-1998)
Nissan 240sx (1989-1998)
Nissan 240z/260z/280z/280zx/300zx (1969-1989)
Nissan Sentra/Sentra SE-R (1982-present)
Porsche 911/911s/911sc/911 Turbo (1965-1989)
Porsche 914 (1969-1976)
Porsche 924/924s/924 Turbo (1976-1982)
Porsche 944/944s/944 Turbo (1982-1991)
Toyota Celica (1971-2005)
Toyota Corolla (1983-1987) (Often called the AE86)
Toyota MR2/MR Spyder (1984-2007)

This is but a partial list generated by talk among drivers regarding their desires and needs. We are hopeful that Hankook will grace us with a Ventus RS-3 that fills this void in the marketplace. We will be forever grateful.

With humble regards,

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Can i have a 245/40-16? Or even the old 245/45-16?

Is 245/40-15 even the right size for Miata?
 

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Can i have a 245/40-16? Or even the old 245/45-16?

Is 245/40-15 even the right size for Miata?
you can start your own petition for non-competition based tire sizes (or maybe you like 16s for track/autocross).

And yes 245/40R15 is a miata size, but 255/40 is a "better" fit.
 

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Yeah boy! Let's do this!

If you guys are members of any other forums or message boards please pass along the good word. There are plenty of platforms that could benefit from wider tires in the 15" size. It would be great for those of us who do not have pockets deep enough for Hoosiers every season, or who like to auto-x on the tires they drove in on. Any of you guys chasing big power, high grip, or engine swaps should please take the 5 seconds out of your day and bug Hankook whenever you have a bit of free time. For you stance guys, think how badass a 255/40 could be on a 15x12. Some sexy ass steam roller action!

Yes, there are other companies that make good tires, but with hankook being the current champ in available grip for the <200 tread wear tires in 15", we figured let's Focus our efforts on one brand, a brand that is proven to work.
 

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There is no doubt the 225/45/15 RS-3 has become a very popular wheel for those who need a great sticky tire for smaller cars.

Reread this./in to help even though I don't have appropriate wheels.
 

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There is no doubt the 225/45/15 RS-3 has become a very popular wheel for those who need a great sticky tire for smaller cars.

Reread this./in to help even though I don't have appropriate wheels.
shhh!! fixed.

BTW, if you guys have suggestions on template improvement then by all means let us know.
 

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i sent them one yesterday but will do it again under a different set of into using this template.

BTW, they told me that they have no plans to introduce this tire size already. they were really quick to get back with me. let's keep bugging them.
 

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i sent them one yesterday but will do it again under a different set of into using this template.

BTW, they told me that they have no plans to introduce this tire size already. they were really quick to get back with me. let's keep bugging them.
its worth a try, No plans currently, probably because they don't see demand. that's why we are here.
 

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you can start your own petition for non-competition based tire sizes (or maybe you like 16s for track/autocross).

And yes 245/40R15 is a miata size, but 255/40 is a "better" fit.

245/40 is about .75" short, 255/40 is a touch under a half inch. I like 255/40 better, you're right. :)


Where's the competition aspect here, though? Only thing i can think of is SCCA Solo STR class. These are street tires, whether they'll be used for competition or not is secondary to the request i'd think?

Either way, i'm behind this. :)


(I was mentioning 16s because i run 16x8s on two of my other cars and am wanting to run that size on my Miata as well. I have no plans to go to either 15s or 17s on either car. Hankook missed the boat when they discontinued the 245/45-16 with the death of the RS2. I'm forced to buy Toyos now.)
 

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245/40 is about .75" short, 255/40 is a touch under a half inch. I like 255/40 better, you're right. :)


Where's the competition aspect here, though? Only thing i can think of is SCCA Solo STR class. These are street tires, whether they'll be used for competition or not is secondary to the request i'd think?

Either way, i'm behind this. :)


(I was mentioning 16s because i run 16x8s on two of my other cars and am wanting to run that size on my Miata as well. I have no plans to go to either 15s or 17s on either car. Hankook missed the boat when they discontinued the 245/45-16 with the death of the RS2. I'm forced to buy Toyos now.)
you are thinking miata tire+wheel combo should be 23.5" which is slightly too big, we can discuss this if you like, but generally I see most people people are running 22.7"-23.0". From my reading 23" is the accepted maximum diameter for full CA range of motion and not hitting the wheel wells. 275s will start to hit the control arms due to width, but thats not a big deal. you don't turn full lock in any track I have been to.

The 255/40R15 is perfect and so as the 275/35R15. The 245/40R15 is a bit short, but nothing too bad.

We are aiming for motorsports here. Most people running x9 and x10 for stretching are using the 195s/205s. but for us in track/autocross we are short really bad. in STR there is NO tire for the miata that works with x9 (255 would be the maximum allowed, 225 is the only thing available, remember STR is higher than 140 treadwear rating). For HPDE/Track Days you can run a 245/40 hoosier, but good luck keeping that habit up.
 

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you are thinking miata tire+wheel combo should be 23.5" which is slightly too big, we can discuss this if you like, but generally I see most people people are running 22.7"-23.0"

The 255/40R15 is perfect and so as the 275/35R15. The 245/40R15 is a bit short, but nothing too bad.

We are aiming for motorsports here. Most people running x9 and x10 for stretching are using the 195s/205s. but for us in track/autocross we are short really bad. in STR there is NO tire for the miata that works with x9 (255 would be the maximum allowed, 225 is the only thing available, remember STR is higher than 140 treadwear rating). For HPDE/Track Days you can run a 245/40 hoosier, but good luck keeping that habit up.
Nah, i gotcha. Although for the record, mine IS 23.5" stock. ;)


But seriously... get people outside of motorsports as well, i was just saying that focusing on motorsport so heavily isn't the best approach to this. Hankook isn't going to develop a STREET tire (RS3 is a street tire) just for people to finally give the NA/NB a dubious shot at being relevant in the STR class.

Either way, i'll include the 15" sizes in my email to them! XD
 

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I just want them to pull bitches. Nobody likes a dude with skinny limp ass tires. Support manliness, email Hankook.
 

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I just want them to pull bitches. Nobody likes a dude with skinny limp ass tires. Support manliness, email Hankook.

THIS.

I would like the option of being able to mini-tub my car and still fill that shizz out with delicious miles of RS3.
 

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i want 255/35/15.. staying closer 22 diameter. best for comp and performance driving.
 

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Okay that's nice. Email them then! Posting in this thread does nothing.

I was hoping we could all pick one size, but as long as 255+ 15" wheel is the message I'm good with that. Not that picky, just want atleast 255 in a 15" RS-3.
 

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I'm in; time for a little Occupy Hankook.
 

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Just send them an e-mail for 255 width tire that lands under 24" so the maximum is 255/40R15. If you want /35 or /30 go ahead and tell them. note we encourage you to send in whatever you like!


Nah, i gotcha. Although for the record, mine IS 23.5" stock. ;)


But seriously... get people outside of motorsports as well, i was just saying that focusing on motorsport so heavily isn't the best approach to this. Hankook isn't going to develop a STREET tire (RS3 is a street tire) just for people to finally give the NA/NB a dubious shot at being relevant in the STR class.

Either way, i'll include the 15" sizes in my email to them! XD
I am not trying to focus on motorsports, but I don't see many other people buying 15x9 or x10 other than for competition use or spirited driving. Certainly, not many slammed and stretched guys, but maybe they can use a 255 on a x12. lol
 
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