I'm about ready to get rid of these black wheels. They've served me well, but I feel the car would look much better with something with some definition. They look really mean, and hide brake dust well (honest to god the reason I bought black), but unless they are spotless you can't even define the shape. They also have a 2-3" lip that I thought I would like, but I feel it doesn't match the car's character. Anyways, I've always wanted bronze Volk TE37s, but they only make it in 15x7, which isn't going to fly. Bronze 15x8+25 Varrstoen TE37 replicas will probably be my next set of wheels.