[sonique128]

At the meet last night, I was telling everyone about the twincharger I came across on my adventures on Miata.net. This thing sounds like an absolute beast! The whine of a SC plus the spool of a turbo is absolutely peach!

http://brpforum.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/37960994/m/172105259

 

[ultimateforce]

Monumental waste of money, weight, time, and materials.

 

[firedog25]

Not necessarily.

The SC provides good low end grunt and the turbo takes over for the top end duties. VW has a Polo GT that uses twincharging on a 1.4 liter engine that lays down 148 or so hp and still manages almost 40mpg. In terms of motorsport, one need look no further than the Lancia Delta for massively self destructive amounts of power from a tiny engine.

If engineered correctly (VW), it can reap great benefits.

 

[ultimateforce]

For the money spent you could just get a non-crappy turbo and manifold with decent tuning to gain the same effects.

 

[LUV2TURN]

For the money spent you could just get a non-crappy turbo and manifold with decent tuning to gain the same effects.

Since we all know that Turbochargers have nice, linear power numbers and give full spool at 2,000 rpm...

 

[timallen]

Monumental waste of money, weight, time, and materials.

How about a little more constructive comments, UF?

 

[LUV2TURN]

Monumental waste of money, weight, time, and materials.

How about a little more constructive comments, UF?

Or rather, how about not talking out of your ass, UF?

 

[ultimateforce]

Monumental waste of money, weight, time, and materials.

How about a little more constructive comments, UF?

Or rather, how about not talking out of your ass, UF?

I'll go video tape the boost gauge on my Protege and you tell me when I hit max boost. Then we can talk about how fast turbos take to spool.

 

[ultimateforce]

Follow up:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=42009

That's my friend's Miata with a junkyard T25 and spare-part turbo setup. It could be a little neater, but for a BP that's a great. I am used to the FS family of Mazda motors (where more torque than horsepower is almost a given) but the saying that turbos have to have lag is a MYTH.

A properly chosen turbo setup will have nearly, if not, no lag. A twincharger is for show cars or just showing off a mechanic's skills. It's not practical and it's not even necessary.

Forget the fact I already drive a turbo-charged car every day, but I'll let my dyno of my Miata do the talking this winter.

 

[timallen]

Goddammit, you guys need to cut it out with the **** measuring contest.

If you insist on making a point, please do so with factual evidence and some numbers or specs, not comments on how your car is better because....

If you insist on negatively commenting on, or providing an alternate viewpoint on another's car or setup, please explain WHY you are doing so, not just loosely throw opinions around.

 

[fwdtamiya]

Follow up:

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=42009

That's my friend's Miata with a junkyard T25 and spare-part turbo setup. It could be a little neater, but for a BP that's a great. I am used to the FS family of Mazda motors (where more torque than horsepower is almost a given) but the saying that turbos have to have lag is a MYTH.

A properly chosen turbo setup will have nearly, if not, no lag. A twincharger is for show cars or just showing off a mechanic's skills. It's not practical and it's not even necessary.

Forget the fact I already drive a turbo-charged car every day, but I'll let my dyno of my Miata do the talking this winter.

But the point is with a set up like this you could have a larger turbo making more peak power without having lag because of the assistance of the supercharger. Yes a properly chosen turbo can have no lag, but that's not the whole point we're dealing with here. IMO it's not a waste of money, but I don't think i'd have enough money for the countless hours of dyno tuning alone it would require and would never do it on a car of my own unless I hit the lotto jackpot.

 

[Greg G]

Goddammit, you guys need to cut it out with the **** measuring contest.

Not to mention it's someone else's **** (Miata) you're offering for measurement :lol:

Seriously though wtf is it with all the recent attitude on this board? :?: #-o

 

[timallen]

Goddammit, you guys need to cut it out with the **** measuring contest.

Not to mention it's someone else's **** (Miata) you're offering for measurement :lol:

Seriously though wtf is it with all the recent attitude on this board? :?: #-o

Exactly, Greg...PLEASE let's not turn this board into a place where people will not want to visit.

 

[firedog25]

Goddammit, you guys need to cut it out with the **** measuring contest.

Not to mention it's someone else's **** (Miata) you're offering for measurement :lol:

Seriously though wtf is it with all the recent attitude on this board? :?: #-o

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, but when certain cars become more popular you inevitably attract some ricerbois. It happened with the WRX crowd so I dropped out of SoCal Impreza Club. Playful banter is fine, but some people just don't know when to not be a ****, but it will happen whether we like it or not.

 

[leatherface24]

wow.....by the time i got to the bottom of reading thi thread, i forgot what the hell it was initially about.

I think the twin charging idea is cool. Just not all that practial and cost consious for the benefits. Ive driven a 2.0 Flyin Miata Turbo car and let me tell you, as opposed to my turbo miata with a stock engine, that had ALMOST 0 lag. Mine has very little. Not noticable if you have never driven a turbo car before but it is there

 

[LUV2TURN]

I'll go video tape the boost gauge on my Protege and you tell me when I hit max boost. Then we can talk about how fast turbos take to spool.

Don't bother with that. I've been in MSP's plenty of times. The power is rather underwhelming. If you don't already have them, get hardpipes, downpipe, exhaust, fmic, mbc, maybe some fuel control. THEN you can maybe go hang with some SRT-4's.

 

[ultimateforce]

I'll go video tape the boost gauge on my Protege and you tell me when I hit max boost. Then we can talk about how fast turbos take to spool.

Don't bother with that. I've been in MSP's plenty of times. The power is rather underwhelming. If you don't already have them, get hardpipes, downpipe, exhaust, fmic, mbc, maybe some fuel control. THEN you can maybe go hang with some SRT-4's.

Who is talking about power? I am talking about boost time and power delivery. You're the one trying to call me out like I don't know what I am talking about.

 

[timallen]

UF, take it to PM or your warning is coming soon.

 

[roadsternut]

VAG's efforts in this area:
http://news.hspn.com/articles/488/1

Though developed with an EU-specific agenda in mind.

 

[ultimateforce]

UF, take it to PM or your warning is coming soon.

This is the second time someone calls me about but I get the warning. :roll: